Sole Searching: The Intricacies of Foot Fetish Culture

Welcome to this intriguing episode of Evolve Your Intimacy, where we explore the complex tapestry of human desire and intimacy. Today, we are thrilled to host two esteemed guests who will shed light on fascinating and often misunderstood subjects.

In the first segment, we're joined by a specialist from Vibrant Foot Productions to unravel the psychology behind foot fetishes. They'll discuss the allure and the cultural significance of this specific form of desire, delve into what the science says about it, and dismantle the stigma associated with such preferences.

Then, we'll transition to an intimate conversation with Karina, the creative force behind Love Below Intimates. Karina emphasizes the importance of quality and choosing products that enhance our intimate experiences. She'll share insights on how the right materials and craftsmanship can elevate personal pleasure and strengthen bonds between partners.

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Dr. Stephanie: [00:00:00] Hey guys, you are listening to Stephanie from Evolve Your Intimacy and we are talking with Mike from Vibrant Feet Modeling from Central Florida and he is dedicated to producing the best foot fetish content on the market. And then also joining us we have Karina, the Handjob Genie. She is a pleasure coach who specializes in manual stipulation, created in the United States.

Using her own techniques that we're going to talk about is for men and women. And she's the owner of the all natural sexual wellness brand, love below intimates guys. Thank you for joining us and welcome to the show. Tell my listeners how you guys connect because we have a handjob genie and we have a foot fetish kind of 

a master connoisseur.

Mike: Well, it was really just, going on a limb. towards the beginning stages of the production company, I was reaching out to several models and. I'd come across Karina's, content and decide, Hey, what's the worst you can say is no. I reached out, we met up to have a meeting and it just went from there.

We have a lot of [00:01:00] similar goals and we've developed a very good, healthy business relationship. 

Dr. Stephanie: Okay. So what do y'all do for business together? Karina, tell me a little bit about what you guys do. What do y'all produce? 

Karina: So, Matt, Mike. well, Vibrant Foot Productions, they do a lot of my content recording for me.

They attend, events with me and help me set up and run the booths and the seminars. So that's kind of what we do together as far as my end of the business. Sure. 

Dr. Stephanie: So we're going to start with Karina. I want to talk to you because you feel that orgasms are extremely important and you have a company or an organization.

So, Save the Orgasms is the nonprofit. I set it up to be a nonprofit to, basically bring awareness to the importance of orgasms How orgasms work, [00:02:00] why we need them, and as well as, the orgasm gap between men and women. And the most important thing is having health insurance cover sexual wellness, treatments and therapies.

Karina: 

Dr. Stephanie: a, you know, certified sex therapist and licensed in Texas, Florida, and Arizona, I'm on several, probably I think 9 or 10 insurance panels and they won't touch it. We have to get creative in our billing and, I mean, obviously I'm seeing an individual but I can't bill them for sex therapy. I have to bill them for individual therapy and then add that into the notes because the insurance doesn't want us to have good sex.

Karina: they don't understand the health benefits of sex therapy. Good sex and orgasm specifically. 

Dr. Stephanie: So, the World Health Organization recently added sex, sexual health and well being to their top, you know, they said that you have to have three things just to live. Food, housing, sex, relationships [00:03:00] and now sex is on there.

So that's, I thought that was pretty amazing if the world health organization recognizes that we need sex. 

Karina: We're making progress then. 

Well, I can't wait. Right. So, you know, like you said, the top three, number four, on that hierarchy of needs is touch. So, sex is a great way.

To incorporate touch in You know life your relationship Not just for pleasure, but for as we said for wellness and health benefits 

Dr. Stephanie: Yeah, so you are accredited for saying hand jobs are better than blow jobs. Tell us a little bit about that 

Karina: So, there, there's thousands of nerve endings in the, on the penis, on the shaft specifically that cannot be reached by your mouth or your tongue.

So a hand job is more capable [00:04:00] of stimulating those nerve endings on the penis shaft. so it, it's just not, scientifically possible. For a mouth or blowjob to be able to do it. It's not that you're doing it wrong or you know You need to practice. It's just not physically possible 

Dr. Stephanie: I like that now Mike let's kind of just a second to you because you have You know the foot fetish and foot jobs so We're talking about a hand job and foot job, so kind of walk me through The difference between those, obviously, I know the difference, like, it's a different body part. But, what's, you know, why, let's talk about, like, maybe why it's more stimulating for a foot job than it is a hand job.

Mike: when it comes to the foot jobs, you have to look at foot fetishism as a whole, right? And, I guess the scientific word for it is podophilia. I agree with. Fine. I think it's a goofy word, but [00:05:00] anyway, it's a whole bag of sensory, stimuli.

for example, 50 percent of the kinks are attributed to foot fetishes and two thirds of men are attracted to women's feet at some capacity. It's a very feminine portion of the body. so you can, achieve, just as much, coverage. of the penis with a foot as you would with a hand.

depending on the technique that's used, a lot of what you find on online, the big industry, doesn't really cover that as well or show that as well. Unfortunately, because it's not a very widely seen fetish, but that's okay. that's something we're dedicated to working on and providing that kind of content.

Dr. Stephanie: Why is feet fetish important to you? why is this an important thing, avenue for you? 

Mike: Well, I feel as though this is, I guess you can say it's like the underdog. [00:06:00] Right. you think about the mainstream or what people would consider normal, right.

As in like a pretty face or large breasts or small breasts or big butt or small butter, you know, the, those kinds of areas. but that doesn't, that doesn't completely, encapsulate the male arousal male arousal is 80 percent visual. Right. So, A man can find or a woman can find any part of the body arousing.

so when it comes to foot fetishes, and it's important to me because, well, it's not very well represented. Tons of men have a foot fetish out there. some of which are not. willing to, explore that side of them, because of how it's viewed.

some people think it's weird or gross or, you know, whatever the case is. but in a spirit of inclusivity, we're here to say, no, it's not weird. it's not gross. It's not anything. it's no different from a man liking breasts. I mean, I, I like, I like breast too, you know, or, [00:07:00] or, or, or, or, but, or, you know, it's not different.

It's just a different area of the body. 

Dr. Stephanie: Well, there is some science behind our foot fetish pleasures since our pleasure spots in the brain. there is the psychology behind it. Sigmund Freud is attributed to kind of breaking the barriers for understanding foot fetish when it comes to the psychology of it, Sigmund, you know, he gets a bad rap sometimes for his off the wall ideas and techniques.

he was attributed to say, just because, you know, his fixation theory that, the foot fetish can occur because a person's perspective of the toes and the feet are, Kind of like a penis substitute. So, you know, whoever believes that, maybe you don't, maybe you do, but that was one of the things that he said.

And he started trying to normalize, the feet fetish from the very early days. So I thought that was interesting.

[00:08:00] Neurologically, if you think about where the pleasure sensory input is in the brain for our feet, it's very close to the pleasure part of genital stimulation. So that could account for some people's foot fetishes because, you know, it's the pleasure sensors or pleasure spots in the brain. Also, think about how erotic like a foot massage is.

There's those reflexology and so you can really dig in and unlock some trauma, some repressed anything by just having a good foot massage, which then again opens up our orgasmic experiences because we're getting rid of some of that tension and that built up blockages, whatever we want to call it.

That's We're carrying around literally walking around on 

Mike: That's that is very much. So true. 

Karina: I live for a good foot massage. 

Dr. Stephanie: Oh me too 

Mike: I have not met somebody who does not like their feet being rubbed if you know what you're doing, you know your way around a foot it can unlock a lot everybody always thinks of the stress and tension being in your [00:09:00] shoulders all the time.

No, you stand on your feet all day. think about it. When you get anxious, you start tapping your foot. when you're stressed, you walk faster, you put more pressure downwards. with the right kind of foot massage techniques, you unleash a ton of stress.

And you can reach different points of arousal. 

Dr. Stephanie: Absolutely. So Karina, we're going to just kind of jump between hand jobs and foot jobs and hand feet and orgasms. We're just going to talk about it all. So, to keep this In sort of manual stimulation, manual stimulation doesn't have to just be with your hands.

It can be with your feet as well. But, you talk about your unique hand job techniques for men and women. Can you tell us a little bit about those? 

Karina: So, well, manual stimulation, I, in my view is more of a hand only, job. So, I like to say if I can't do it with my hands, Then I It's [00:10:00] not my area You know a pleasure coaching if it's not involved in the hands.

I did come create my own unique set of Handjob techniques for men and women so in regards to women Whenever I say hand jobs for women people kind of look Confused because it doesn't make sense right away, but, to me, there's a difference between fingering and external stimulation of the labia and the clitoris.

So that is what I refer to as a hand job for women. So, you know, there's fingering doesn't stimulate the clitoris the external clitoris so but what do you call the what do you call it when you massage the clitoris and labia what do you [00:11:00] call it it's a hand job right so so once i explain that you know in that way then people get it like okay because initially they'll think i mean fingering 

you know, that's the only term that they've heard Most you know most of the time and as far as the man is concerned Most women they only know maybe two or three strokes You know the basics blah and hand job strokes, so I have taken it to another level with my techniques which are more sensual more Nurturing And more, just more stimulating in general, just because of the way I include both of my hands usually, and also a lot of incorporation of, of the, the balls as well.[00:12:00] 

Dr. Stephanie: So can you give like a few techniques to my listeners that they can start incorporating into their happy time with their partners? 

Karina: so I can, give you some, advice on making sure that you're, focusing on the area right up under the head as well as the head.

You know, that's where most of the sensitivity is on, on the penis. So there's a couple of techniques where, maybe take your thumb, hold the base with one hand. And with the other hand, take your thumb and just make circles right up underneath the head of the penis. another way you can use a similar technique to holding the base, close your hand like you are opening a doorknob and do that around the head of the penis right under the head.

So those are two stimulating [00:13:00] and very, very easy. techniques that look, harmless, but they're, very capable of causing a lot of pleasure. 

Dr. Stephanie: I love how you talk about the hand job for women because people think that our clitoris is just that 10 percent of what they see, that little button. Well, that's just, the clitoris is hidden and it goes down the labia, the inner sides of the lips.

And so those legs and being able to massage the entire clitoris. Instead of just the little button, it is mind blowing. 

Karina: That area right above the clitoris that feels like a bone, that is a very orgasmic, very orgasmic and pleasurable area to massage. So that's part of, my techniques is not focusing on the button, the man in the boat, if per se.

Yeah. But the other [00:14:00] 90 percent that's around it. Is, kind of more of my focus, yeah, cause I, I find that, I find personally that direct clitoral stimulation is too intense, so, yeah, me personally, so I, I, you know, I would assume or guess that a lot of other women feel the same way, which is why I'm very passionate about teaching men how to do hand jobs for us because they tend to Just go straight to the clit and start rubbing on it like it's, you know,

sandpaper or something. And also, with no lubrication, you know, that, that's not only does it not feel good, but it can tear the skin, that delicate [00:15:00] skin around the clitoris and, labia. 

Dr. Stephanie: And so you have the all natural sexual wellness products. Tell us a little bit about those and why they're important to use.

Karina: Yes. Okay. So, the product line is called love, love below intimates, and it's on all natural product line and it's a unisex product line, which is kind of hard to find because most, most brands focus on one or the other. Okay. you know, one of my, well, my competitor, they are strictly feminine, sexual wellness products.

And, so our brand, we want to incorporate both the men and the women so that both of them are, are using natural products. And both of them are getting the pleasure that they do deserve. 

Dr. Stephanie: So what [00:16:00] about the natural products? Why is it so important to use natural over the synthetic? 

Karina: My view is that if you can't eat it, you shouldn't put it on your skin.

And I try to live by that as much as I can, you know, but you can't always do it. But if you can, especially on the, mucous membrane. Which, your genital areas are mucous membranes and they absorb at a much, higher rate than the skin on the rest of your body. So you really want to be careful, not only because of the absorption rate, but also the delicate skin.

When you know the chemicals, you can have irritation or even burning, chemical burns, rashes, and things like that, if you use synthetic products. 

Dr. Stephanie: People don't realize the delicacy of our food. [00:17:00] The tissue in the vulva area and you can get micro tears and also, you know micro tears in the anal area So lubrication is so important to keep that Experience that session pleasurable so we're not tearing 

Karina: things Definitely and when you do tear things by not being properly lubricated You invite bacteria in much faster so That's a good, or in yeast as well, if you, aren't lubricated properly, it's going to throw off the balance in, in your vagina and you know, here comes the yeast build, you know, just swarming you.

So with lubrication is very important and the natural lubricant is the best thing to use. I understand. 

Dr. Stephanie: I agree with that. [00:18:00] And where can they find these products? 

Karina: Our website is lovelovebelow. biz and we're on Instagram at lovebelowintimates, Facebook at lovebelowintimates, and Twitter at lovebelowintimates.

Dr. Stephanie: Perfect. Awesome. We'll have to, well, those will also be in the show notes as well. So if you didn't get a chance to write that down and you're just driving or listening, it'll be in the show notes. All right, Mike, talk to me about vibrant feet modeling and what makes it different than other feet modeling companies.

What makes you different? 

Mike: what makes us different is that we take an approach, to this, more authentically. the content that we have is in your face is very vibrant. Hence the name, vibrant, feet modeling. the souls are popping out of the screen. The models are positioned in powerful poses where they're confident and assertive and intentionally showing, the [00:19:00] viewers.

Their souls, toes and heels, the things that they want to see pretty much in foot fetishism. everything looks larger than life. A lot of feedback that we hear is that the model and, everything just kind of pops out of the screen. That's the effect we're looking for. We want you to feel like you're there.

Like you can see like you're right in the room. we get up close. and we show the angles of the feet prominently in every frame. our videos are always filmed in 4K 60 frames per second. our pictures are in the highest megapixels possible. and we always push for clear daylight and bright lighting just so you can get all the details.

Dr. Stephanie: So my question people think and I had I'm I am people I mean right here thought that you had to have Immaculate beautiful feet to be a foot model however I I was looking on your site and i've been looking since we've been talking about feet fetishes and you and i've been in communication Now for several months.

that's not [00:20:00] the case. Like I see I see people who are Feet models who have blisters or they have calluses and I thought I was thinking it had to be just smooth and glassy 

Karina: I thought the same thing My my toes are really long and I always try to hide them with socks and you know sneakers So it's just in the last couple years.

I realized that I have perfect foot modeling feet. Yeah Like, who knew, right? 

Mike: so I guess the easiest way to answer that is to say there's something for everyone, right? But it's so much deeper than that. you have to understand your audience, right? Everybody has different, likes and dislikes.

the authenticity of the everyday woman is really the most attractive thing. And that's actually true in psychology, the average person is the most attractive, in group studies. And so, what men want to see is all that you just mentioned. If your feet do have [00:21:00] calluses, that's fine.

if they're a little bit dry or they look a little like you've been walking around all day, they want to see those kinds of things because that gives your feet character. nobody wants to see anything fake. Right. sometimes, something I always say is like, you want to look at things for either arousal or just interest.

Right. Like you're either curious, like you want to see this person at a curiosity or you're attracted, you know? and we focus more on the attraction than curiosity. So that being said, Some of the girls that we work with, they're just everyday girls. some of them have been in the industry.

They've been doing these modeling gigs for a while. And, both of which receive very high praise. So, it doesn't have to be this whole ideology of perfection is, 

Karina: So women thing, I think that we think that everything has to be just right in its place. 

Mike: Oh no, no, no, no. See, This goes both ways, men and women, [00:22:00] unfortunately.

And I'll tell you, cause I'm a, I'm a man. I'll tell you right now, what you were saying earlier about, about how men will focus on the, on the clitoris. And they don't even know it's shaped like a wishbone. It's, it's, it's not just that 10 percent that you see, it's a lot more. And that's a, that's a crying shame 

Karina: tragedy.

Mike: You know, I would love to apologize on behalf of all men for not knowing what they should know. Right. it's hilarious, especially like the men that are into sports. If you're a good hunter, you'd know everything about your prey. So you gotta know everything. I like women, so I want to know everything about them.

Women tend to have, these different thoughts of what they think men want. you would be surprised. The simplest things can be the most attractive. You don't have to get a hundred dollar, lingerie set. your regular house shorts could be the most attractive thing you wear to your partner.

this whole thing about, perfect models with flawless skin. No, no, no, no. I think the artist's name was, there's a rap artist. His name is Kendrick Lamar. he said, I want to see some ass with some stretch marks.

Karina: I got that for you. 

Mike: those [00:23:00] are, those are calm tiger stripes, calm, whatever. I don't care. It's, it's attractive. It's, it's arousing. Okay, women, I have a lot of friends and I come across this a lot. They say, oh no, I just had a baby and all these stretch marks. No, your man's gonna love all that.

Your man is gonna love all that. 

Karina: Yeah, that's me. Hiding the stretch marks. And then later finding out, again, that men love those things. 

Mike: You would be surprised. It comes down to a primal sense. That's why the smell is such an important thing. 

your partner will let you know, just let them enjoy certain things that they, if they like being touched a certain way, their body will tell you they will. They might not tell you.

Physically, but their body will tell you same thing with men that we will tell you. It's just different how we, how we express that. and I'm ranting a little bit, but it's a very, very, important thing for me. you know, earlier, you had asked me, why foot fetishism is important to me.

my business [00:24:00] partner, is more so the foot fetish expert than I am. admittedly. And when we were looking into beginning our production company, we thought about different strategies and ways to get in. And we said, well, this is the one thing, we know quite a bit about.

It's underrepresented. We have the ability and skill to raise the awareness and to say it's okay. It's normal. it is okay. It's normal. it's just as normal as liking breasts or asses. It's the same thing. just a different part of the body. 

Dr. Stephanie: So talk to me a little bit about vibrant foot modeling.

Do you find feet models? Like how, how do people become a foot model? 

Mike: Oh, just reach out, reach out to us or you want to be a foot model. honestly, it's easier said than done. let's just set realistic expectations, right? it comes down to, being open.

To coaching, if you've never done any form of modeling whatsoever, and understanding the genre as it is, if you have any interest in that, by all means, you can reach out to us, on any of our platforms, Twitter, Instagram, and we [00:25:00] also have a loyal fans, being set up as we speak.

You just have to have an open mind, just like any other form of modeling. And we do also do other forms of modeling. Vibrant foot modeling is, the prominent or main section of vibrant productions, but we have vibrant modeling productions as well. We just reach out to models and say, Hey, we'd like to work with you.

that's a yes or no question at that point, really. And if they say yes, then we go down the line of, this is what we're looking to shoot. this is the projects that we're working on and we say, where you fit in. 

Dr. Stephanie: And so is it a lucrative career? 

Mike: well, I would definitely say so.

it's moving along, a lot faster than I thought. Which is always a good thing in any kind of business. it's quite lucrative in the sense of you have to think about the amount of work that you do to come to fruition, right? you don't have to do cartwheels or backflips or anything like that.

So there's nothing extreme Or crazy, but if you're intentional, the most important thing is being intentional then it can [00:26:00] become a very lucrative. Business or side business for anybody who's interested in modeling 

Dr. Stephanie: and all they do is just reach out to you 

Mike: That is it yeah, you send us some text message or DM or email or any form that we have open.

We have all forms open of communication. If there is interest, we're open to talk about it. It's open discussion. 

Dr. Stephanie: Okay. Do you foot model, Karina? yeah, actually I have done, a couple of sessions with Vibrant. yes, actually yesterday we did a shoot of me getting a foot massage. Which, somebody said they would like to change places with me. while I was getting this foot massage. We won't say any names, but yes. I did a session with them last night. The quality of their work is very superior. I mean, the equipment they have, you know, even the capability of being able to see, [00:27:00] live, real time, the video being filmed is very, yeah, I enjoy filming with them and working with them in general.

So how do you film? Like, do you have to be there with them, 

Karina: Yes, we film in person, live shoots. like I said, the equipment they have is very superior. And they're, very, well rounded in setting up the equipment, the lighting, the spaces, and all of that.

They're really, talented in doing that. So you will want to film with them in person and, set up that they are able to put together. 

Dr. Stephanie: Mike, for people who don't live in Central Florida and might want to work for you or with you, what do you tell them? 

Mike: Well, that just really comes down to scheduling.

we are more than happy to travel, depending on, you know, Within reason, of course, I can't hop on a plane to go across the globe tomorrow. but that's where the scheduling comes into play. we do a lot of, work with [00:28:00] Karina as far as seminars and, conventions and things like that.

So if we're in town, that's a good way to do that. or they can come to us. That's fine. we will make something happen. We'll make it work. if the interest is there and the model is serious about doing work, we'll make it happen. It's just a matter of when they're available, when we're available.

Dr. Stephanie: Do they need to send you any pictures, or is it just, we accept feet? You got some feet. We accept them. 

Mike: Okay. So yeah, definitely. it's preferred. if they don't already have, a platform where they're modeling or if they're just getting in or anything like that, if they don't have pictures already online that we can see, it is preferred to snap one or two pics.

so we know what we're working with. that can really change the terms of the project itself. just to give you an example to kind of clarify that, I did have, a model that wanted to work with us and she said, okay, let's, you know, I set something up, I said, okay, so this is the project that we're going for, you know, just, Hey, coming home from work.

Right. and she showed up with fuzzy [00:29:00] pink slippers, like really fuzzy, feathery pink slippers. And I said, well, the project was, you know, you're coming home from work. We were laughing about it. She was like, Oh, I thought, you know, like house shoes. So no, no, no. Like you can slip into your house shoes.

Sure. But I don't think anybody goes to work in fuzzy pink slippers, you know? so these little details make a big difference. But I mean, it was a very easy thing we fixed right away. ultimately though, color schemes. how I set up the scene, can really affect the natural tone of your skin, regardless of what your skin tone is.

if you're very fair skinned or if you've got dark skin or brown skin that's not the point. The point is like, I want to be prepared to, show you in the best light possible. So if I can see that ahead of time, that makes a massive difference. 

Dr. Stephanie: So I'm assuming that.

I just have all these ideas in my head about, now, feet modeling, and I never thought I'd have ideas in my head about feet modeling. so do you, Listen, if I get [00:30:00] a foot massage 

Mike: Oh, we'd be more than happy to work with you. You tell me what, I'll get in the car right now.

Dr. Stephanie: Wait, do you give the foot massages? Like, who gives the foot massages? 

Mike: this project that we're working with when Karina actually we laughed about it last night. And so, you know, she asked me, does it look good? And I told her it was me. I said, Hey, I would switch places with you. That's how good it looks. when it comes down to that, that is something that our clients want to see that people want to see.

Dr. Stephanie: They want to see the feet get massaged. so, you know, we have, I'm a moaner when you're massaging my feet. 

Mike: That is that's perfect. That's even better. Remember, It's an entire sensory experience. So the microphones and everything that we use captures everything that you can hear, the feet rubbing against each other.

You can hear the fingers growing up. and if you're a motor even better, that just shows that you're enjoying it. it's a point of view kind of shot. So the person watching [00:31:00] this video It's almost as if they're the ones doing it and you want them to have that kind of experience 

Karina: Yeah, I think that's how we filmed it last night very up close and personal to the feed and Gets in in the dripping of the oil down the feet.

Dr. Stephanie: I just want somebody to rub some hot oil on my feet 

Mike: We actually used one of love below's massage candles to do the video It was kind of a twofold thing. You know, we're shooting to promote the candle and to get some foot massage content that people really want to see So yeah, it was great speak speaking of these projects there are things we're working on these tutorial series we're codifying techniques and documenting them and this is Coming soon, you know, so not just us, but anybody else can learn to do this.

Karina: Just to give you a brief why I asked to do this foot massage Video last night. I'm gonna put it on [00:32:00] Groupon and Cuz you know Groupon allows you to post classes now so Yeah, I found this out a couple weeks ago in a Groupon class. So I'm gonna post that little 10 15 minute massage class and Hopefully get more people interested in Giving and receiving foot massages because it's really easy to do it You just kind of need a little bit of you know, a little class or a little instruction so yeah, and also you need a natural product like my Massage candle because your feet are highly absorptive, too So, yeah, it's a two, two, four thing, but I can't wait to see how it can, how it turned out.

Mike: and the moustache candle itself is an amazing product. I've, sampled quite a bit of the products of love below. [00:33:00] And you know, I'm not a spokesperson or anything, this isn't a paid thing, but they are the best products I've used. 

I have spent hundreds of dollars on different products and stuff like that. literally, the whole massage aspect, I personally have a table myself, like, I love the whole, yes. it's a fun experience, a great thing to do. And, I've used several different candles.

This one in particular, it smells great too. Amazing. 

Karina: Oh, I was going to ask you, what did you think of the smell? 

Mike: Oh, I loved it. We 

Speaker 3: No. 

Mike: when you blow it out, there's no, there's no aftersmell. There's no burning smell. There's no, nothing like that absorbs into the skin.

Easily, easily. If you have any eggs, there was a little bit of residue. you know, which is to be expected when you use a product like that, but it just rinsed right off. It was great. 

Dr. Stephanie: Oh, wonderful. I would love to have this. I will definitely be checking out the website as soon as we get done with this call.

So, you know what I can try. 

Karina: I'd love to, for you to try the products and maybe do some reviews on it 

Dr. Stephanie: I love [00:34:00] product reviews. Have a whole section on my website for it. 

Karina: Oh, okay. Yeah, I did not know that. So I'm going to have to get you out of care package. Oh, yes. 

Dr. Stephanie: I will accept it.

And I will review each product thoroughly. 

Karina: Okay. Say less. Got you covered. 

Dr. Stephanie: I'm excited that we are bringing awareness and education to foot fetish and hand jobs. I mean, I think that is, you know, people think about sex, they think penetration, but you know, this is sex as well. this is an intimate activity with body parts that may not be a penetrative experience.

But it doesn't mean that it's still not pleasurable and it's still not part of the sexual experience. So one of my big things is allowing people to redefine what sex means and what sex truly is. And I think that you guys are on the cutting edge of helping others see that it's just not penetration, there's so much more to it.

Karina: Yeah, it's [00:35:00] not just penetration, it's so much more to it than Standard things. Mm hmm. Yep. 

Yeah, and there's a lot of psychology behind it and a lot of research that can back why it's normal healthy Yeah, and I am just a psych you mentioned psychology we had the guys set up the 15 strokes instructional video that I have They set it up at Exotica on the table as a display and I can't even tell you how many people stopped in to look at it and just were mesmerized and so many people, commented that it looks so relaxing and so hypnotic and that ties in with what you're saying about psychology about it.

It is relaxing. It is, just touch is relaxing, you know, [00:36:00] and it does something when you see it. I guess the movements, it's almost like an art for me, personally, I, I can't draw or paint or anything like that, but my hand movements are kind of like a life of their own, you know, it's not me.

Thinking about my next move. Yeah, it's always Just flowing out of me like I could be talking to to you And my hands are moving on their own and i'm not even Paying any attention to what's going on here so But I I find that interesting and I did get You know You Pleasure and motivation out of seeing how the You know the the guests at the event were satisfied with looking at the the video not for sexual purposes I don't think they were looking at it in a erotic [00:37:00] way, you know erotic way, I think they just were just intrigued by 

Mike: Oh, yeah 

Karina: The artistic, the movements of it.

Mike: Yeah, it really goes to show that every sexual incident in your life should be an experience and hopefully more so positive than negative. And if negative, you learn from it. 

Dr. Stephanie: I get frustrated because we are a orgasm focused society. And I understand, yes, there is a huge orgasm gap. I get it.

What you're doing is you are completely negating everything that led up and all of the activities that has happened on the events for that orgasm.

So if I didn't have an orgasm, now the whole experience is ruined. 

Karina: So irritating, I promise you. It's so irritating when a man asks me that because it's like, I don't have to have an orgasm to have enjoyed this whole session. Like, why is that so [00:38:00] important to you at this moment? 

Mike: I agree, it's very abrupt and it takes away from a lot.

Dr. Stephanie: It does, cause you're on this high, you know, you got all these endorphins from the activity that you just had, and then all of a sudden, like, you blew my high by asking me this question, this irrelevant question, because do it, does it look like? 

Mike: Well, I guess 

Karina: just please 

Mike: I guess you could also look at it as just as women have their insecurities about Certain aspects of themselves or whatever men men do too.

And for us we view the pinnacle of sexual performance being an orgasm, right? If you did, then your job is done, right? So, you know, because we experienced that far more than women do, which is a freaking shame, but, you know, for a lot of guys are like, Oh, did you know it? Did you?

It's like, No, you have to understand like it's, it can be an extremely great, [00:39:00] positive, wonderful experience and still not had an orgasm. And that, that can happen to men too. there's lots of times, where, you know, you're, I've been in different situations where, you know, we're talking about a hour or two hours or anything like that.

And just at the end didn't reach orgasm, but it was an amazing experience. Right. And so, you know, Unfortunately, especially with that kind of stuff comes with maturity and maturity doesn't necessarily equate to age. some people experience certain life things earlier than others. And that's, that's, there's that, but it's the openness to being mature about it and saying, okay, if you had a great time, I had a great time.

That's what matters. it's bound to happen more often. 

Karina: Yeah. That insecurity. I get that. doing what I do, when a man doesn't have an orgasm, with one of my top tier handjobs, it kind of makes me feel like [00:40:00] I failed in a way. 

Dr. Stephanie: we tie our success and failure to that, 

Karina: But they'll say, no, it was great. 

Mike: oh, yeah. 

Karina: No, it was all it was great But because they probably know their body and know that they can't they can't have an orgasm all the time or every time but me, I don't know and I feel like I did something wrong or Didn't didn't do the did wasn't paying attention, you know, and didn't Know what I should have done, but yeah, to agree with you, Mike, yeah, we do have that insecurity, like, Oh, I couldn't make them have an orgasm.

Dr. Stephanie: And I hear that a lot. Well, you know, it was all ruined because you didn't have an orgasm and you're just like, no, come on. 

Karina: Yeah. We gotta do better. 

Dr. Stephanie: We do. 

Karina: we gotta stop this. All this pressures is too much. 

Dr. Stephanie: Yeah. And I feel like [00:41:00] that's why, you know, especially, you know, the educational podcasts, like mine's an educational podcast.

I make sure that I bring people on who have far more experience and more expertise and various subjects than what I can have, but we have to have this sexual education and put it out there and not be ashamed to listen and not be ashamed to share it because the sexual stigma is never going to go away if we don't just start doing things to change it.

Mike: That's absolutely true. 

Karina: Right. 

Dr. Stephanie: tell our guests what, okay, so I want each of you to take a few seconds to share your best imparting knowledge to the listeners. What do you want them to walk away with? 

Karina: I'll say that when you're, giving your partner a hand job, be intentional and know that it's not a race, it's a journey.

most women, they kind of like want to hurry up and get it over with, but that's not the best option for a great handjob. You know, you want to take your time and, want to [00:42:00] please your mate and by slowing down, not being distracted with TV or. your phone or whatever.

You just really want to focus in on your partner in that moment and also Make sure you use natural products like my tap out pleasure elixir is my favorite Lubricant to use for hand jobs Because number one it is natural and number two it It has the consistency that you want that allows you to do the essential and erotic type of strokes.

So tap out pleasure elixirs is my number one choice for that. So those are my two tips. Be intentional with touching your mate and use natural products when you can. Preferably tap out from Love, Love, Intimate.

Mike: Tapout is an amazing product. You can also [00:43:00] use it. 

Karina: Well, thank you, Mike. 

Mike: Internally, too. Yes, you 

Don't forget that. It's multipurpose. Yes, you can. But, I would say the two things. Is to, just be open and understanding.

being open doesn't mean you're going to agree with everything and just say yes to everything, but it's just. Trying to understand your partner from their perspective of what they might like. or the other way around, understand your partner what they might like. and just be open to trying things.

Because just like, you know, just like I didn't know I liked blueberries until I tried it. It's the same thing in the bedroom or just in your relationship in general. You might think it's a little off or a little bit weird, but, there really isn't anything that's off or weird.

It's just a matter of perspective. So if you understand them from that and you can be open to them expressing themselves or you just be open to expressing yourself. everything else just comes a lot [00:44:00] easier. 

Dr. Stephanie: I like that. Well, yeah. So if you're listening, guys, jump on and let's definitely check out the products that they've mentioned.

Let's go about this with an open mind. Check out their nonprofits. They do save the O's. And, if you're interested, 

Karina: We're on change. org as well. Change. org slash Save Orgasms. 

Dr. Stephanie: Okay. And that is going to be linked in the show notes as well. so you can check it out. find that, and sign it.

so, perfect. That will be linked in the show notes. And I'm also going to have, your information linked for your social media, so they can get on your websites and find you guys. I thank you for spending your afternoon with me, and I look forward to working with you guys in the future.

I'm definitely going to give you some product reviews, and, hell, I'm ready for, you know, I'm ready for, 

Mike: It has been nothing but a pleasure. by all means, just let me know. I'll fit you in the [00:45:00] schedule anywhere. 

Dr. Stephanie: Okay. Sounds like a plan. All right, guys. Well, thank you. 

Karina: next time. Bye. 

Dr. Stephanie: Okay. 

Karina: Bye.